R2 Ožďany-RS (Zacharovce)-Bátka-Figa

Podľa DSP sú náklady na výstavbu rýchlostnej cesty v polprofile: 114 mil. eur (určené ešte pred nárastom cien v roku 2021)
Náklady na kilometer cesty: 18,1 mil. eur
B/C: 0,46 (to zrejme vytiahli z harmonogramu výstavby)

NDS bude musieť predložiť novú Štúdiu realizovateľnosti, keďže tá z roku 2014 je nepoužiteľná - neaktuálne ceny, neaktuálne sčítania dopravy, absencia dopravných modelov, neuvažovanie iných alternatív ako výstavba R2 - napr. preložka súčasnej cesty.

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A potom sa niekto čuduje, prečo sa tu nič nestavia, keď majú aj na jednoduché úseky ciest, a ešte k tomu aj polprofily, nastavené také prestrelené štátne odhady.

Tento harmonogram ma teda dostal :smiley:
Odporúčaný rok začatia výstavby
podľa ŠU/Plánovaný rok začatia výstavby
podľa MDV
Lovinobaňa - Ožďany - 2027 / Po 2032
Ožďany - Zacharovce - 2038 / Po 2032
Zacharovce - Bátka - 2038 / Po 2032
Bátka - Figa - Po 2040 / Po 2032

co sa tyka cien, toto iste uvadza aj ineko teda 17-18 mil/k, pre poloprofil kde mosty tvoria 5-6 percent trasy co je tak 80 metrov mostov. ale zaujimave je ze ineko uvadza aj naklady susednych usekov ozdany-zacharovce 12 mil/km s 10 percent mostov, alebo tomasovce-ozdany iba 9 mil/km s 13 percentami mostov. tornala-gombasek 8 mil/km s kratkym tunelom, gombasek-roznava tiez 8 mil/km.

zaujimave ze na najviac pripravenom useku zrazu neumerne vyskocila cena a tym padom B/C padlo dole. ale to je urcite nahoda…

:open_mouth: a to som este pred covidom dufal, ze do 2030 uz bude hotovy cely usek Ozdany-Figa :confused:

Takto 2 a pol roka zbytocne umelo blokovat vystavbu useku kde je uz 95 % pozemkov vykupenych je mozne naozaj len na Slovensku…
Je mi do placu :frowning:
Hlavne, ze Sulik tam minule behal po poli a ukazoval kde bude stat novy Priemyselny park pri LC.

Azir78, si zabavny. Tu sa 30 rokov Meciar-Slota-Ficovskymi vladami blokovala akakolvek stavba na juhu, len s vynimkou Dzurindu a potom Erseka. Cize byt teraz nejake prekvapeny nie je dovod. Ale nova vlada uz nie je daleko. Uvidime, ako sa k tomu postavia.

Dzurindu? Prvé čo urobil po Mečiarovi, zastavil výborne rozbehnutú výstavbu diaľnic.

Tu sa 30 rokov Meciar-Slota-Ficovskymi vladami blokovala akakolvek stavba na juhu - naštuduj si to, lebo píšeš nezmysli, sam Fico sa ohradzoval voči ÚHP, samozrejme Ersek tu mal voličov, tak to bola jeho priorita.

Čo sa čudujete, 0,8% HDP pre NDS a SSC… nikde sa nepohneme, to je tak akurát na opravy…

Za Dzurindu sa postavili Ozdany aj Figa - Tornala. Potom sa nerobilo vobec nic az po Erseka. A potom jeden zo 4 Ersekovych usekov Dolezal stopol (ale ako jeho plus beriem, ze nestopol aj Krivan - Lovinobana, ako pozadoval UHP, takze celkovo to u neho vychadza na nulu).

A tiez sa za Dzurindu zaviedlo delenie penazi 60:40 (sever:juh), ktore keby sa dodrziavalo aj nadalej, tak dnes je cela vychodna R2 hotova aj pri 0.8% HDP (tu nie je problem 0.8% HDP, ale megalomanie na D1 na cele s VYIYSNOVYM)

0.8% HDP znamená navyšovanie dlhu pre budúce generácie, len 0,4HDP potrebujeme pre SSC na opravy a údržbu ciest a mostov nie to pre NDS.

a zvysovanie investicneho deficitu pre buduce generacie nie je problem ?

DSP dodaná.
Prebieha MPV a akualizácia vyjadrení a rozhodnutí k stavebnému konaniu.

Veď o tom hovorím… 0,8% HDP znamená investičný dlh.

toto ma tesi, ze MPV prebieha, lebo uz to vyzeralo, ze to zarezu uplne, pritom toto by bol taky quickwin a tento usek je aj potrebny

Slovensky neni, tak aspon takto… (kto ma predplatne Nka, moze doplnit)

The traffic on the bypass due to the Bátka-Füge road closure is dangerous and huge
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The contractor claims that the entire road closure on the Bátka-Füge section will be lifted at the end of November. Photo - Zoltán Schnelczer
The contractor claims that the entire road closure on the Bátka-Füge section will be lifted at the end of November. Photo - Zoltán Schnelczer

Second- and third-order roads that wear out quickly, increased travel time, a three-hundred-euro toll, truck and car traffic that ignores the speed limit - this is what the residents of the Rimaszombati district, who are directly affected by the renovation of a part of highway 16, have to face.

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The main road E571 between the villages of Bátka (Bátka) and Füge (Figa) in the Rimaszombat district, which connects Rimaszombat with Tornalja, was closed a month ago. The Slovak Road Management Company (SSC) is carrying out comprehensive renovation works on the section.

After two years of preparatory work, the renovation of the affected section began in March by closing the road in stages, in one lane.

Our article reveals:

how much has the traffic passing through Bátka decreased since the diversion,
why pedestrian crossings are not designated in those settlements where there are no sidewalks,
whether the road construction is progressing according to the schedule, and when the complete renovation of the 4-kilometer section between Bátka and Füge can be completed.

In April, however, they were already thinking about diverting traffic, because the road was in a much worse condition than previously assumed. When removing the old asphalt, they were also faced with the fact that there is no foundation for the road on the affected four-kilometer section. After removing the entire cover, a new foundation must be built. It also turned out that the Rakytník drawbridge cannot be renovated with the technology they originally wanted.
When we were there, they were working on the widening of highway 16. Photo - Zoltán Schnelczer

For this reason, practically the entire planning documentation and the budget had to be modified. During the 3.5 million euro investment, the road will be widened on the affected line of highway 16, the bridges and water sinks will be renovated, a new foundation will be built for the highway, and the new asphalt pavement will be equipped with safety elements.

The section between Rimaszombat and Tornalja is expected to be completely closed until the end of November. The Slovak Road Management Company (SSC) announced back in the summer that part of the work could only be carried out with complete road closures.

After months of consultation, the bypass road was diverted through the villages of Bátka, Radnót, Rimaszécs, Csíz, Abafalva - here it joins the international road 67 - and Szentkirály, partly on second- and third-order roads. The affected villages opposed the designated route for weeks.

They asked for the placement of traffic retarders and the designation of pedestrian crossings, since there are no sidewalks in some settlements, so children and adults can only get to kindergarten, school, and shopping by walking alongside vehicles. Several mayors are also afraid of the asphalt covering of their secondary and tertiary roads, some of these county roads have recently been renovated. The SSC, on the other hand, argues that there is no other route to which the traffic could be diverted.

According to János Rencsok, the mayor of the village of Rakottyás, the locals are not particularly complaining about the road closure. “To Rimaszombat, the same distance in kilometers must be traveled via Uzapanyi (Uzovská Panica) and Bakta (Bakta) as Bátka, i.e. on the usual line. Now we can only get to Bátka with an extra 4 kilometers, the school bus also uses a detour, but the more adventurous ones also use dirt roads,” says János Rencsok.
According to the contractor, they can keep the schedule so far. Photo - Zoltán Schnelczer
Traffic is down

Péter Hencz, the mayor of Bátka, said that the traffic passing through the village has decreased significantly since the diversion. “We did a traffic count the week after the closure, we counted 1,400 trucks and 2,900 cars. In the next few days, we would like to repeat the count in order to have a basis for comparison, but before the closure, the number of cars passing through Bátka was between 7,500 and 8,000 per day,” said the mayor, adding that the traffic would probably be distributed.

Some of the cars and trucks going to Tornalja can drive on the section between Rimaszombat–Jánosi–Rimaszécs, while those driving longer distances can drive on the Hungarian route.

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The sidewalks are being renovated

Due to the diversion of traffic, the traffic police has so far not allowed the renovation of the settlement’s sidewalk, for which they won 94,000 euros last year thanks to a tender. Although with a significant delay, work will begin this week on a section to which traffic has been diverted.

“Another project was also approved, now the public procurement procedure is being checked, but we will probably not start implementing it until next year,” said Péter Hencz. He added that the contractor of the renovation promised that as soon as the traffic is diverted back to the main road, the road leading through the settlement will be restored to its original condition. The question is, however, what will be done with the section between Bátka and Balogújfalu, which was already in extremely bad condition before the diversion.
We also experienced that drivers do not respect the speed limit. Photo - Zoltán Schnelczer
The restriction is not respected

The maximum permitted speed was reduced to 60 km/h between villages and 30 km/h in settlements. However, in the affected villages, they usually complain that motorists do not comply with the restriction.

“We installed a speedometer and posted a model police officer, we were also promised that the speed will be measured regularly on the affected sections, but the residents do not see a police officer on the designated bypass road. The police claim that they measure the speed from a moving car, but in my opinion, there would be fewer speeders if the police measured the speed statically,” says the mayor.
According to experience so far, there is noticeably more traffic on the bypass on Sundays, Mondays and Fridays. Photo - Zoltán Schnelczer
There are no sidewalks or crosswalks

Aladár Bari, the mayor of Radnót (Radnovce), also complains that almost no trucks obey the speed limit in the village.
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ta fotka hned na zaciatku je velmi vystizna.

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No ked stavaju prakticky novu cestu od zakladov, skoda, ze to nie je R2…

Škoda, že zostávajú v pôvodnej trase.
Za pár miliónov eur navyše na realizáciu zopár zárubných múrov by to bola kvalitná cesta 1. triedy, kde by žiadna rýchlostná cesta nebola potrebná.

Také slovenské…prerábať podložie, nový asfalt a smer cesty ako keď prešiel prvý koč, ktorý každých pár metrov vytváral zákrutu z dôvodu ľahšieho prejazdu. Nikdy by ma to nenapadlo realizovať také dielo bez nejakého zlepšenia…
Jarino, ak budeme takto zmýšľať ako ty, že pár metrov urobíme kvalitnú cestu 1. triedy a následne nepotrebujeme RC tak budeme ako v Bangladéši. Ja tomu nerozumiem, podľa mňa ani rýchlostná cesta nie je boh vie čo (napr. R1 samá zákruta), nie to ešte cesta prvej triedy. Prvá trieda je iba nutná komunikácia, ktorá má tvoriť základ obslužnej siete do času, kým v jej blízkosti nebude vybudovaná diaľnica alebo rýchlostná cesta. Preto máme tie cesty v takom stave ako máme, jednak samozrejme je to investičný dlh ale predovšetkým cesty 1. triedy sú mimoriadne preťažené. Celá komédia spočíva v tom, že za rok od pokládky nového asfaltového koberca nám vzniknú stopové preliačiny a my ideme počítať intenzitu dopravy, aby sme vedeli určiť či bude nová D, RC návratná alebo nie. Opakujem “návratná”, ja niekedy neverím vlastným očiam, v čom všetko sa dá podnikať. Jednoducho stačí postaviť cestu na správnom mieste, a nejakým spôsobom, ktorý poznajú len na ministerstve financií, bude ta cesta na seba zarábať. Smutné, tragikomické, to ako keby sme sa vracali späť no minulého storočia. Tiež by bolo už na čase zverejniť, koľko nám zarobili cesty 1 triedy, D a RC. LOL